21 February 2011
Organizers Meeting Transcript

2011-02-21 16:04:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Shall we begin?
2011-02-21 16:04:06 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Apple Tree left our wiki today.
2011-02-21 16:04:07 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :(
2011-02-21 16:04:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: hmmmmm
2011-02-21 16:04:19 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Hmmm.. wonder why?
2011-02-21 16:04:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok
2011-02-21 16:04:26 [IP] hrworth@gmail.com: 24.0.236.135
2011-02-21 16:04:26 [Login] hrworth@gmail.com
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2011-02-21 16:04:30 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I wonder why as well.
2011-02-21 16:04:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:04:40 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: I can explain that.
2011-02-21 16:04:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:04:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Do you have adenda items?
2011-02-21 16:04:47 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: kk
2011-02-21 16:04:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Agenda items?
2011-02-21 16:05:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Gosh, this chat interface removes ALL CAPS.
2011-02-21 16:05:02 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: <-- listening LOUDLY!
2011-02-21 16:05:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: hmmm
2011-02-21 16:05:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Agenda items
2011-02-21 16:05:15 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Oh , you want me to do so?
2011-02-21 16:05:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: when the ALL CAPS are at the BEGINNING of a phrase.
2011-02-21 16:05:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: NOT when then are in the middle or the end of a string.
2011-02-21 16:05:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: interestingf.
2011-02-21 16:05:38 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Well, call me silly>
2011-02-21 16:05:40 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I'm interested, but don't want to disturb Myrt's agenda
2011-02-21 16:05:49 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ^^^^ That was posted in all caps.
2011-02-21 16:05:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Just exploring.
2011-02-21 16:05:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:05:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:06:03 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: It was Rysa Pitner's account.
2011-02-21 16:06:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I'll begin recording now.
2011-02-21 16:06:14 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: She has left OpenGen and AppleTree to go elsewhere.
2011-02-21 16:06:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oic
2011-02-21 16:06:17 [IP] louiskessler: 142.161.61.226
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2011-02-21 16:06:18 [Join Room] louiskessler -> Chat Lobby
2011-02-21 16:06:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so that makes sense.
2011-02-21 16:06:23 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Ahhh...
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2011-02-21 16:06:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The agenda as i see it:
2011-02-21 16:06:48 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 1. Report on location of EXCEL worksheet.
2011-02-21 16:07:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 2. Report that requested changes to the wiki, and notificaitons to wiki members has taken place.
2011-02-21 16:07:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:07:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:07:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anything else?
2011-02-21 16:07:17 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Yep!
2011-02-21 16:07:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: kk?
2011-02-21 16:07:29 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Report on recording and where files will be :)
2011-02-21 16:07:37 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oh great.
2011-02-21 16:07:40 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Requirement ID, Brief Description, Author, Link to discussion page
2011-02-21 16:07:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I'd like to discuss the Family Search API
2011-02-21 16:07:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: THank-you Andy. Also Andy, if you have a little bit of time afterwards, I'll train you on GoTOMeeting.
2011-02-21 16:08:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ok, what little we know, Louis.
2011-02-21 16:08:19 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Their api or sord?
2011-02-21 16:08:29 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: then let me get the first agenda item out of the way....
2011-02-21 16:08:35 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Darn, yes, caps is messed up.
2011-02-21 16:08:40 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: No. The basic idea of it. I think everybody is thinking of it in the wrong way.
2011-02-21 16:08:41 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- had unexpected family visit this week end so didn't read as much about it as I wanted to.
2011-02-21 16:09:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: GOOGLE GROUPS no longer support uploading of files.... as of 13 Jan. But if file were currently there, they could be accessed.
2011-02-21 16:09:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:09:03 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:09:16 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: What you (Pat) said earlier today bothered me ...
2011-02-21 16:09:30 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- you can have file here- check teh Help "managing files"
2011-02-21 16:09:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so I placed the Excel Worksheet at my Google Docs and am going to send out a notice to all wiki members
2011-02-21 16:09:35 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: You said we're not going to wait for the Family Search API ...
2011-02-21 16:09:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Louis --- one second...
2011-02-21 16:09:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Let's get the file location thing worked on.
2011-02-21 16:10:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: The problem, Andy with putting the file here is that we won't all have the latest version, like we do with the flexability of the GoogleDocs....
2011-02-21 16:10:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: where even file changes made concurrently are noted.
2011-02-21 16:10:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:10:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:10:41 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ahh-ok
2011-02-21 16:10:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I haven't left my desk since this morning, working on the challenge.
2011-02-21 16:11:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so you will each receive an invitation to view :
2011-02-21 16:11:32 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Dang -- won't let me copy/paste URL today.
2011-02-21 16:11:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:11:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:11:43 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: nuff on that... I'll get it to you before i sit down to supper.
2011-02-21 16:11:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Now Louis...
2011-02-21 16:11:55 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: drag the little icon from address bar
2011-02-21 16:11:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: let's take your topic....
2011-02-21 16:12:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .\
2011-02-21 16:12:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:12:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: to the chat window
2011-02-21 16:12:20 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: waiting for FamilySearch...
2011-02-21 16:12:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: what is your concern there... this is something we discussed last week at the Developers Meeting, perhaps when you were not there... the concept of not waiting for them.
2011-02-21 16:12:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:12:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: share your thoughts.
2011-02-21 16:12:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I am anxious to hear them.
2011-02-21 16:12:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:12:54 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:13:15 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: What Family Search may give us is the API ...
2011-02-21 16:13:35 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: But underlying that, they have an XML data structure ...
2011-02-21 16:13:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: hmmmmmm
2011-02-21 16:13:57 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: based on the GenTech model (ugh - hopefully improved ofr usability) ...
2011-02-21 16:14:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and your thoguht is that since they are a big player, they may sway the other programmers?
2011-02-21 16:14:21 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: What we want is that underlying XML model they have.
2011-02-21 16:14:28 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: listens
2011-02-21 16:14:33 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: That is their data storage method.
2011-02-21 16:14:53 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: That is basically their interpretation of the BetterGEDCOM.
2011-02-21 16:15:02 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Now they may or may not give us that.
2011-02-21 16:15:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:15:18 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: But, even if they don't, the API will be a window into it.
2011-02-21 16:15:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oic
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2011-02-21 16:15:37 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: It will outline all the structures they allow access to.
2011-02-21 16:15:49 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Louise- even so there is no reason to wait on them- we can look at it when it becomes avcailable.
2011-02-21 16:15:49 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: ... which should effectively give us everything.
2011-02-21 16:16:08 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: They may not want everyone else to have an XML flat file with data on their machines ...
2011-02-21 16:16:30 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: but we'll be able to build something compatible based on what we get from their API.
2011-02-21 16:16:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so Andy are you then thinking of the FS site specs as just another software program to compare/sync with tags like per our discussion this morning with Sandy's list?
2011-02-21 16:16:36 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Once they release that thing into the wild it *will* become the de-facto standard- count on it.
2011-02-21 16:17:06 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:17:09 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Absolutely. So we should take it and, assuming it's reasonably good, try to use it.
2011-02-21 16:17:10 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Andy, why would any developer support another FamilySearch standard?
2011-02-21 16:17:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: There are folks out there like Bob Velke TMG who aren't doing any FSDN stuff.
2011-02-21 16:17:22 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: Myrt- pretty much that was my thought-yes.
2011-02-21 16:17:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2011-02-21 16:17:30 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Well, I for one would.
2011-02-21 16:17:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Family Search DEvelopers Network
2011-02-21 16:17:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I want my program's data to get in and out of FamilySearch
2011-02-21 16:18:00 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: he doesn't.
2011-02-21 16:18:03 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: I'll give you one word- Ancestry. They will sign on in a heart beat.
2011-02-21 16:18:24 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: so we would STILL need to work through the other software programs who choose not to sync with FS.
2011-02-21 16:18:27 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Don't expect Ancestry to sign on to a system that requires all data to be given to FS.
2011-02-21 16:18:44 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Andy - Are you saying that if FS is the "standard" Ancestry would jump right in?
2011-02-21 16:18:49 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: There is no way we'll be forced to go through them.
2011-02-21 16:18:52 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: FTM does not support FS API, and prolly never will.
2011-02-21 16:19:00 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: But we will want to be compatible with them.
2011-02-21 16:19:09 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: ... as best we can.
2011-02-21 16:19:30 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Louis: But FTM has a long awaited API to be developed
2011-02-21 16:19:39 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Its been in the program since 2008
2011-02-21 16:19:39 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: BetterGEDCOM will need to be able to communicate with FS.
2011-02-21 16:19:45 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: FS already has certified FS products including genealogy dastabase management programs --- Legacy, Ancestral Quest, RootsMagic --- those folks are in compliance with FS but aren't consistent with GEDCOM import and export of their own product --- except RootsMagic.
2011-02-21 16:19:55 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Maybe there'll be a big battle coming up. FamilySearch vs Ancestry.
2011-02-21 16:20:07 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: It will be fun and interesting to watch.
2011-02-21 16:20:19 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: oh gosh, am I glad I have a home in Virginia, then. My house is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the two of them.
2011-02-21 16:20:27 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: There may well be an API battle, but the file format should be set by an independent organisation.
2011-02-21 16:20:44 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Who cares about API's. They're a dime a dozen.
2011-02-21 16:20:48 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Sort of our job to shine a light.
2011-02-21 16:21:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I think that in 14 years, FS didn't update the concept of GEDCOM end-user to end-user, and perhaps at the very least our work has brought pressure to bear.
2011-02-21 16:21:11 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: different than what FS objectives are .. different than what
2011-02-21 16:21:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: ancestry's commercial objectives are
2011-02-21 16:21:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I certainly hope by this coming Monday FS will permit Tom Creighton and Gordon Clarke to visit with us.
2011-02-21 16:21:45 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: The file format has already been set by FamilySearch. They just haven't told us yet. Although it probably is (as was mentioned) related to GenTech.
2011-02-21 16:22:18 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: They are already using the file format internally, I believe.
2011-02-21 16:22:26 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: but it has to be updated
2011-02-21 16:22:33 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: we shall see.
2011-02-21 16:22:37 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: They'd have to be. Or they couldn't develop the API for it.
2011-02-21 16:22:46 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: So Louis --- your concern is that we will do TOO MUCH WORK here at BetterGEDCOM
2011-02-21 16:23:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: that FS may undo when it announces a GEDCOM substitute?
2011-02-21 16:23:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:23:11 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Louis, about a dozen GEDCOM replacement formats have been set. Considering their handling of GEDCOM, one set by FS would be my last preference.
2011-02-21 16:23:18 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: We need to be the coordinating committee maybe????
2011-02-21 16:23:40 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Something to bring pressure to bear, for sure.
2011-02-21 16:23:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:23:41 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:23:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: How about considering that moving forward with the REQUIREMENTS CATALOG is not a waste of time
2011-02-21 16:24:11 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Louse: to coordinate what?
2011-02-21 16:24:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: as we solidify the parameters we think are necessary for a BetterGEDCOM.
2011-02-21 16:24:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:24:28 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: GEDCOM isn't perfect, but it has been an adopted standard by 99% of all genealogy application ... therefore it has been successful.
2011-02-21 16:24:57 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: You naturally meant to say that GEDCOM is a succesfull failure ;-)
2011-02-21 16:24:57 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: and those 99% have picked and chosen WHICH GEDCOM traits they wish to embrace.
2011-02-21 16:25:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:25:12 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:25:17 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: We have the mess for two reasons:
2011-02-21 16:25:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 1. Changes in technology since the last update of GEDCOM.
2011-02-21 16:25:29 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: To coordinate the adoption of developed data structures into the genealogy developer community.
2011-02-21 16:25:43 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Ah, OK. Thank you
2011-02-21 16:25:46 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: And we may want to recommend enhancements or changes.
2011-02-21 16:25:54 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: <<doesn't see why progress on the requirements is in conflict with whatever FS does
2011-02-21 16:26:07 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: 2. The lack of 100% compliance with GEDCOM 5.5.1 as it currently stands.
2011-02-21 16:26:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
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2011-02-21 16:26:23 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: No, Louis, BetterGEDCOM does not want to make recommendations to FS, FS wants to propose a format to BetterGEDCOM.
2011-02-21 16:26:28 [Action] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: reading Louis' comments.
2011-02-21 16:26:32 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Maybe we can get them to take their proprietary data model which they're using anyway, and get it open sourced and make a path for the future.
2011-02-21 16:26:43 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: @Louis, Yes!! We have good thinkers in BetterGEDCOM
2011-02-21 16:26:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Open sourcing is something we support --
2011-02-21 16:27:10 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: There was no compliance enforcement- so.... and the same will be true of any new 'standard" if there isn't strict enforcement.
2011-02-21 16:27:24 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: But I don't think this forum (BetterGEDCOM) will come up with a model fast enough. It will take years. And by then it will be too late.
2011-02-21 16:27:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: And that compliance enforcement comes from a governing body....
2011-02-21 16:28:05 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I cannot imagine the guys at FS agreeing to BG supervision. That they were not able to get ISO status
2011-02-21 16:28:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: was to their detriment.
2011-02-21 16:28:10 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Still believe FS comes at this with a more macro approach. If the typical user did that, we'd all be first cousins.
2011-02-21 16:28:12 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: GEDCOM is a self-enforced standard by the developers. It is up to them if they find it important enough to follow.
2011-02-21 16:28:27 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: Noone can enforce the developers. They can do what they want.
2011-02-21 16:28:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: You have to have mass to use some of those macro approaches
2011-02-21 16:28:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: But that "self-enforcement" hasn't worked has it?
2011-02-21 16:28:58 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: The work on the requirements really needs to be done
2011-02-21 16:28:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: anyway --- your suggestion, Louis is that we wait before doing anything more at BetterGEDCOM?
2011-02-21 16:29:02 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: 99% of data can transfer fine. It is the stuff (sources/citations) that wasn't perfectly defined that doesn't.
2011-02-21 16:29:10 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Change / self-enforcement / creative interpretation / *
2011-02-21 16:29:44 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: A completed BetterGEDCOM REQUIREMENTS CATALOG will help us evaluate the end product FS shares.
2011-02-21 16:29:49 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: No. We should coordinate. Get all the parties talking. There's a lot of politics to happen.
2011-02-21 16:29:49 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Doesn't creattive interpretation put us back to where we are now?
2011-02-21 16:29:52 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Remember the first OpenGen meeting, when Gordon was there?
2011-02-21 16:30:16 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: he said their interest was in linking pps to records .. not linking from pps to pps.
2011-02-21 16:30:18 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: What about the bigger guys: RootsMagic, Legacy, TMG - we can get them involved.
2011-02-21 16:30:31 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: right -- objectives at FS are different.
2011-02-21 16:30:58 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Louis - I think we have been trying to get them involved. Some are watching
2011-02-21 16:31:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: RM is here, lurking, and sometimes attending. It just happens that in the last 2 weeks, Bruce's wife has lost both her father and her mother. And there have been two conferences.
2011-02-21 16:31:15 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Remember that is because of different objects that FS abandoned their responsibilities as keeper of the GEDCOM standard. We don't want that to happen again.
2011-02-21 16:31:20 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Don't you think the work on the requirements is the kind of thing we will need to have pps talking?
2011-02-21 16:31:29 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: objects/objectives
2011-02-21 16:32:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Let's proceed with the Requirements Catalog, and when FS gets things done and decides to share, we can re-evaluate then.
2011-02-21 16:32:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Well, I sure thing the requirements is the kind of thing any group will need
2011-02-21 16:32:24 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: to be able to assess this stuff.
2011-02-21 16:32:29 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: To me, that sounds like teh reasonable way to go.
2011-02-21 16:32:31 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: think
2011-02-21 16:32:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: I've heard that FS takes a much longer time to develop, than software vendors prefer for their products.
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2011-02-21 16:32:55 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: From earlier today
2011-02-21 16:32:59 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Louis, I believe either way -- sooner or later, we will effectively deal with the FS factor.
2011-02-21 16:33:01 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: FSF
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2011-02-21 16:33:08 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: I think we need the requirements page to have
2011-02-21 16:33:10 [Message] TamuraJones -> Organizers Meeting: Free Software Foundation?
2011-02-21 16:33:15 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: :)
2011-02-21 16:33:32 [Message] louiskessler -> Organizers Meeting: I'm afraid FS really won't care about or notice us unless we make some waves and get more people involved.
2011-02-21 16:33:35 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: What we are learning as a group in the mean time is how to work more effectively TOGETHER... and the REQUIREMENTS PAGE is our next focus.
2011-02-21 16:33:37 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: RequirementID Number, Brief Description, Author and Link to a discussion page
2011-02-21 16:34:04 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: I set up three requirment thingies today.
2011-02-21 16:34:08 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: A Discussion page you be titled Requirement ID: short description
2011-02-21 16:34:13 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: FS tends to be elitest from time to time... but they are getting better about working without outside talent.
2011-02-21 16:34:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Thanks, Russ.
2011-02-21 16:34:28 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Deatils on the Discussion Page
2011-02-21 16:34:45 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Details should be in the format that is now on the Requirements page in that table
2011-02-21 16:34:52 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: yes,
2011-02-21 16:35:09 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: And thanks to Geir who adapted the template on the Requirements Catalog page.
2011-02-21 16:35:21 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:35:22 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:35:25 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Anything else?
2011-02-21 16:35:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:35:27 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:35:41 [Message] hrworth@gmail.com -> Organizers Meeting: Just have that Template with Details on the Discussion Page for that requirement
2011-02-21 16:36:21 [Message] GeneJ -> Organizers Meeting: Template doesn't copy over. You have to work it in text-wise.
2011-02-21 16:36:34 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Please send me an email, requesting to be added to sharing the BetterGEDCOM tags worksheet... I'll send out the announcement now.
2011-02-21 16:37:02 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Other than that, I think we've got it covered....
2011-02-21 16:37:08 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: unless you've thought of something else?
2011-02-21 16:37:10 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:37:11 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:37:19 [Message] Andy_Hatchett -> Organizers Meeting: ok- recording...
2011-02-21 16:37:39 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: Would rather have more frequent QUICK meetings, than an infrequent long, drawn-out meetings.
2011-02-21 16:37:42 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: keeps us moving along.
2011-02-21 16:37:47 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:37:48 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: .
2011-02-21 16:37:51 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: are we agreed?
2011-02-21 16:37:55 [Message] dearmyrtle -> Organizers Meeting: ADJOURNED?